What can animals teach us about ourselves — and about our place on the planet?

In a new episode of the Swedish podcast Djuren i våra hjärtan, Mattias Klum joins host Sandra Jönsson Bäckman for a conversation about curiosity, respect and our relationship with the natural world.

Mattias shares stories from encounters with orangutans, tigers, snakes and birds, reflects on what it takes to approach wild animals without disturbing them, and recalls a transformative experience in Borneo where he was advised to ask the forest for permission before entering.

The conversation also touches on biodiversity loss, our responsibility towards other species, and how to hold on to hope and wonder in a rapidly changing world.

Listen to the episode to hear more about the encounters, experiences and ideas that have shaped Mattias’ way of seeing nature — and our place within it.